Wednesday, October 22, 2008

I am cop, hear me roar

Do you want to kill Patrolman Adam Baker? Are you coldblooded enough to whip out a box cutter, slash him in the neck and watch him bleed out before your eyes? Can you live with yourself by letting all the fucking crazies at Four Winds run roughshod across Saratoga Springs, raping and pillaging at their leisure? Will you stand by idly while the strolling masses attending the Victorian Street Walk this year are hacked into itty-bitty bite sized pieces as they attempt to enjoy this goddamn Christ-loving Democracy of ours? Are you in for a bit of the old, ultraviolence?

Well if you’ve answered ‘yes’ to any of these questions, you’re probably the brand of sick-o fighting against the more than 25,000 hours of police overtime doled out by the Public Safety Department this year. Or you’re just flat-out unpatriotic; maybe the commie-type freak who likes hunting bald eagles and roasting their gutted bodies over a fire stoked with bibles and fanned with a shit-stained American flag.

Residents of Saratoga Springs, take heed: If you cut the police overtime, you’ll all face a grisly demise at the scarred hands of the barbarian hordes, which now bang their clubs at the heavily fortified gates of the city. Move one officer from these entrances, and they’ll all come in for sure. They’ll be reclining in your baraclounger and chugging your aged Chianti collection like it were a case of the finest Pabst Blue Ribbon money can buy.

Your only salvation –your only way to remain free in America –is to dump out your wallet at the Lake Avenue police station and pray to Police Chief Ed Moore. Give him what he wants, and it’s not much. Just hundreds of thousands of dollars in overtime and a new, $17 million dollar police station for his officers to rollick in when they’re not hitting on the Skidmore chicks or corn-holing the Caroline Street drunks.

Not convinced yet? Well then take Lew Benton’s word for it. Because if there’s one thing the city’s patronage sponge knows, it’s how to suck up tax dollars like the Bounty quicker-picker-upper. And hey, we’re all making out like bandits because of our vastly overvalued homes, right? We can all afford to pay just a bit more during these trying times, Benton told the Daily Gazette Tuesday.

Yes, the fear campaign is in full effect now, as anyone who sat through Moore’s two-hour presentation Tuesday could attest. The fact that he tried to justify his department’s rampant overspending is grounds for termination in most lines of work. But the fact that he prattled on from the early afternoon until the mid-evening is grounds for him to be throw into a center-square pillory for a week or two.

It would have helped if Moore’s presentation echoed with an ounce of truth. Instead, he fear-mongered the city council with the panicky 911-call placed after Baker was slashed in the throat by Seth Dawson, a fellow who wasn’t keen on his mother admitting him to an out-patient mental health clinic. His sick and twisted implication: Absent overtime payments to the police, who knows if he would have survived?

Well, let’s set the record straight. Were it not for a quick-acting 13-year-old girl giving Baker a towel to thwart at least some of the bleeding from his mortal gash, the outcome would have been a lot different. Even Moore himself credited the youngster’s actions with saving the officer’s life. At least he did one year ago.

But with the conversation on overtime, the credit quickly shifted to the veritable invasion force that crowded Jefferson Street to apprehend a mental patient on the loose. Were it not for police overtime, there would have been no one at the station able to help the badly injured Baker, Moore seemed to imply; there would have been no evidence collected, and it is likely Dawson would still be slashing his way through downtown to date.

Of course, the key word is ‘imply.’ And Moore’s speech had no shortage of implications if he doesn’t get his way. The main one was that the Spa City will somehow descend into the throngs of a crime wave without an inflated level of police overtime.

The less spoken message is that Moore is literally poised to hold the city ransom for more funding. First, he’s going to bang the taxpayers for an over-budgeted $11 million “public safety” facility, which will ultimately cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to maintain. Then, he’s going to have Public Safety Pushover Ron Kim stamp a new police contract that will earn his officers a very comfortable living when they do work regular hours. Lastly, he’ll push through the overtime component, so those on the bottom rungs of the pay scale can net what most other departments pay only their high-ranking senior officers.

True, safety is a key component of a healthy downtown. But to consider Saratoga Springs a high- or even moderate-crime area is just mind-boggling. Thanks to ridiculously high property taxes –ironically spurred in part by police overtime –the criminal element simply can’t afford to live here, much less ply their trade. Increasingly, it seems what the department is taking home in pay is the real criminal element in the city. And it seems this cash could be better allocated than being used to stock an over-sized station with 10 times the number of cops needed to take down a 130-pound hyper-paranoid razor-wielding anti-authoritarian.

75 Comments:

Anonymous a future ron kim bankruptcy client said...

I'm told on good authority (some guy with a camera)that a private entity has offered to build the public safety building at zero capital cost to city taxpayers and will make a last minute offer to do so.

Let's see: who could this be? My bet is on any one of these three:

a) Roohan/Bonacio
b) AMD
c) NXIVM

I hope it is 'c.' That way, it might be named after Ron.

Of course, they will most likely want landing rights for their spaceship in return.

9:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

where are the overtime guys? have you seen them? or are they sleeping or just "riding" around.

with the advent of cell phones why do they patrol in areas that have almost no one around? why don't they take an active role as compared to a passive or would that cut into their nap? ....especially if there are soooo many bad drivers or just scofflaws. the evidence to this is just check out the bright and blinding fog lights that are illegal but every other vehicle has them on....or just see how many registered vehicles have no plate on the front (ps they are not all from out of state... hence a reason to pull them over and enforce...that would be an active patrol rather than a passive work ethic. Maybe they will catch a criminal or just a scofflaw, but isn't that their primary job? Active not passive is what we pay for ... so all capt doom and gloom moore has to say is "make it so" do some work for the big bucks we get to pay you guys...or just go work in schenectady if you are really are saving the public

Rom Kim formerly head of the zoning board...needs a wake up call. he used to preside over applications for building permits downtown and regularly pointed out that the need for parking was essential...how can he promote a building that does not have parking in the basement and/or the first floor...what a hippocrit!...where is his conscience or for that matter his ethics..empathisis on "public service" not "private issues"

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many would like the PSD, which plans for 25,000 in unpredictable hours in overtime to be better managed and more responsible. No one wants officers hurt, but how is it that a mentally ill patient and two college drunks can overpower our own “trained” officers? Why does additional training require "overtime pay"? And, if training is so important which is a defense in not hiring temps, how is it that the RaceTrack and other communities with seasonal venues are able to hire temporary traffic control officers and enforcement officers without burdening their local taxpayers with overhead?

The question will always be, how big a Police Department does this City require and most certainly how much can the residents be required to pay? Fear mongering the public about a possible planet terror crime spree just around the corner when Malta develops is unrealistic and if it were, maybe it's time to call in the Sheriff.

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A cleverly crafted presentation by The Chief. What could you expect from someone who came up through the PBA ranks? I guess he forgot to mention a few things though. Like his emphasis on hiring women, who have babies and need maternity leave. Oh, and what about our National Guardsmen, forgot to mention that when they are on duty, we need to replace them with overtime cops. And injuries? Don't get me started. There was a time when only firemen would go off on "questionable" injuries, now it is also fashionable to find ways for cops to sit home collecting full pay while a PBA member fills their spot while getting paid OT.
Yes, Erin Dryer could have gone about her job in a more diplomatic way, but look how OT has jumped since she left.
What about OT when Joe Corsale was Comm. of PS? It skyrocketed, but when he left, the new commissioner knew the tricks that police and firemen could play, and cut OT to the bone. The long and short of it is if a Commissioner is doing his job, the cops hate him.
Kim is just a pawn for the Chief and the PBA.
He is the most difficult guy to listen to, couldn't talk his way out of an argument if he tried.

11:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adam, Baker, Charlie, David, Edward, the phonetic names that cops use on their radio. Mostly for identifying license plates, etc.
But back (way back in 2007) more than a year ago, we had an incident where Adam Baker was attacked by an escaped mental patient from Four Winds. (This one incident was at the forefront of Chief Moore's example of why we need to pay overtime in order to be safe)
Did anyone ever question how the attack was able to take place? Did anyone take Moore time to figure out that maybe, just maybe, Adam Baker screwed up? Didn't Adam Baker have a weapon too? A big 45 caliber pistol, six months of required police boot camp, sufficient training to be Moore qualified to handle simple situations like this one-on-one, mano a mano, routine stop?
Is Adam Baker a hero, or a screw-up?
What if Adam Baker was killed? Would we all be hunted down by multitudes of escaped mental patients, flooding the streets of our town?
Well, no, not if we hired police on overtime to capture this maniac and put him in prison for a long time.
But only if the cops were hired on overtime would we be safe.
What kind of logic is Chief Moore using? Scare tactics, or real logic, real numbers, and real discipline for his overweight, and overpaid cops?

1:14 PM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

We have to stop putting cops, firemen, teachers, all government workers on a pedestal because we can not afford it.
Sure cops and firemen sometimes can get into dangerous situations; that’s the nature of the job. I’m sure most of them have some understanding of that before they sign on to what is considered a decent job as far as compensation goes.
There are many other jobs that are just as dangerous if not more so that pay far less. That 20 year old construction who was buried alive in Clifton Park is a perfect example. He is dead because of his inexperience. Older construction workers would have never put themselves in that position. Same thing with that young Baker officer; an older experienced cop would have never let themselves get within striking distance of that mental patient.

Top 10 Most Dangerous Jobs
The Bureau of Labor Statistics recently released their Most Dangerous Jobs data for the year of 2004.
1. (Tied for First Place) Airplane pilot
2. (Tied for First Place) Logger
3. Fisherman
4. Iron structure worker
5. Garbage collector
6. Farmer/rancher
7. Roofer
8. Electric lineman
9. Truck driver
10. Taxi driver/chauffeur

Firemen and policemen don’t even make the list.
I am not trying to minimize what they do; many do become true heroes. And I am sure that in big cities many more get hurt and some die but Saratoga is neither a big city nor a dangerous one.

The only point that I am trying to make is that there are many dangerous jobs.

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Folks Step Right Up!

And read the blog of a dead man

6:01 PM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

6:01,

ZING! Wow. You must be a rip with the fam(i.e., idle threats will get you no where).

Shot,

We have to stop putting people on a pedestal period. We're all human. We're all imperfect. Unfortunately, if there was one thing that was learned on 9-11, it was don't question authority. And if there was another thing learned on that fateful day, it was that fear and duct tape make the world go round.

1:14,

It's a question that was never asked by the media, simply because the dude almost died. I would say in Baker's defense, Dawson is alive, and reportedly taken into custody "without a scratch" according to Moore. In other areas of the northeast, simply brandishing a knife is is enough reason to use deadly force. So while I won't call Baker or any of the other responding cops heroes, I will give them credit for taking the guy in custody instead of killing him(which is a sad commentary in and of itself).

11:49,

I agree wholeheartedly. Kim was elected by a fluke, and the only reason he's still in office is that he's a pushover for the PBA.

11:18,

Saratoga Springs has always been somewhat isolated from the crime that has wrecked havoc in Albany, Schenectady and Troy. It's never had the population of those cities, and likely never will. Even if it does grow to the high 70,000s or so, the place has become remarkably gated and gentrified, I'd be surprised if we ever have even a tenth of the violence that is tearing up other cities.

10:39

Frankly, I'd like the damn cops to leave me alone. Hey, throw a few beat cops out there and a roving cruiser. But to nit-pick laws? That's frankly my worst nightmare.
Part of my goal in life is to make people realize how far down the sewage-filled law books our society has descended. If we didn't have so many useless laws(expired registrations, cellphone violations, public fucking urination), we wouldn't need so many damn cops...

10:00 PM  
Anonymous mamie said...

Hey, 6:01 He doesn't have to worry! He is an expert to hide behind this blog this long. He's the heckler in the crowd that doesn't have the real balls to stand and speak his piece.

3:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not get rid of Benton, that will save some money

7:33 AM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

mamie,

Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. Except for one thing. I've got your IP address.

8:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is the "no police officer left behind act"

just when i thought this town couldnt get any more embarrassing. ugh.

8:30 AM  
Blogger a3matrix said...

What is the base salary for a SS police officer?
Any way to get a hold of actualy salaries after overtime?
It's called padding. Given the opportunity to hire more officers, or to just let the existing force have the OT, I bet they go with OT for the people on the job.

Ahh, don't worry folks. We can just build more condo's for tax revenue and pay for all of it that way!!!

10:34 AM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

a3,

Starting salary in 2007 was about $35,000. That has certainly increase by about 3 percent(COLA). The amount they bring home in OT is solely dependent on who they are. Last I checked, chiefs, assistant chiefs and captains weren't allowed to collect it. So the department's lieutenants rake it in and are thus the top earners in the department.

Police officer salaries are certainly available under the FOIL law, but what you get might not (or rather won't) be in digestible format; i.e., an easily searched list. What you're more likely to get is officer's time cards and their base pay. The city will probably leave the OT calculations up to you. However, this is just a guess. To be honest, I haven't FOIL'd for such info.

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the rest of reality is looking at reducing staff, we are forced to look at "unpredictable" overtime projections. Just what is the adequate size for a police department for a city as small as ours?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/23/police.economy/index.html

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe we could open up some gambling establishments so we can pay for the new police dept. and their OT. Oh wait a minute..... gambling is illegal here in New York State.Nevermind.

4:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First that kid who helped Adam Baker, was she honored in anyway? Why wasn’t a presentation and an award given to her by Kim at a city council meeting? Seems every time I turn around he’s given out merit badges to one of his employees. What about these cops at city council meeting are they on the clock?

I will credit Adam Baker for going back to work so soon. That was commendable. Letting a known psychotic get close enough to you to slit your throat was not.

5:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today, the Commissioner bleats out that the reduction of overtime expenses during these fiscally demanding times are, "cutting out the meat and the bone” from the department’s budget. Now how is it that overtime expenses are the “meat and the bone,” when it should have been the dessert. Some imperialistic management declaration!

The opinion that we do not pay enough in taxes is another “inside” complaint. How about checking the addresses of those that work for the City and determine how many of these critics live beyond the City’s taxing limit before taking these demanding expenses seriously to the bone.

Holding the DBA and the community hostage is pathetic. No patrols and no cleanup? Are we seriously to believe that every person employed by the City is working at 100% and that an annual event is “overtime”?
Time to check out the responsibilities of those elected to office to manage and those who are employed to run the departments?

3:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Top management ought to be approving the requests for overtime in these difficult times. In this case Kim should be the approver, of Moore's requests with no exceptions. After all is said and done Kim is responsible to only the taxpayers of Saratoga Springs for the money his department spends.

4:05 AM  
Anonymous Mamie said...

Think I give a shit if you have my IP address? Do you want my home address? After all you let the likes of idiots like John Tighe on this blog to spread their raunch! Critical of everyone trying to make a difference while sucking on Uncle Sam's tit collecting disability sitting home. Talk about overpaid!

4:06 AM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

Mamie,

Per your request, I'm awaiting your information before I publish your comment, or any others.

Cheers!

7:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Commissioner stated this week, "If we were in better times, I wouldn't have any problem supporting it (the phone upgrade he proposed for last year)". Finally acknowledging a recession, maybe he can extend this concern for the tax burden by responsibly cutting overtime in his department and revisiting the reality of a reasonable facility expansion program.

7:50 PM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Today's Post Star...
Washington County Sheriff's Office told to cut budget
By DON LEHMAN, dlehman@postststar.com
Updated: Friday, October 24, 2008

FORT EDWARD -- The Washington County Sheriff’s Office has been directed to cut $200,000 from its 2009 budget, and officials said the elimination of police officer positions is possible.

Two sources within the Sheriff’s Office said there were discussions about cutting as many as two deputies and doing away with the overnight patrol.

5:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do your readers a favor and FOIL the salaries of the city Police Department's employees, and publish them. A riot will ensue when taxpayers see what some of these guys, administrators in particular, are paid.

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes i agree with 5:08pm posting.
Its probably not the police officers that are getting the $$ but the pencil pushing admin's. I think it would be just to publish their salaries.

4:07 AM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

The police are all under paid! I would forfeit more taxes if it meant I can continue to walk the streets at night here. You can't say that in Albany and Schnectady! Yeah I know some get plenty of overtime but that's because the force is under staffed. It's actually cheaper than hiring more and paying for their benefits. Give it a rest! This city would be in deep shit if not for the protection the force provides.

5:58 AM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

Gerard,

To quote what a wise man once said, you're so full of shit that if you were given an enema, they could fit your body in a shoebox.

Can't walk the streets at night in Albany or Schenectady? Where the fuck did you get that idea? Are you that insulated? And do you honestly think the crime that does happen there has anything to do with the police force or lack thereof? Common. Get fucking real, dude. It's funny too, because I've walked the night in both of those cities this weekend and never once felt threatened.

The problems with crime in both of those cities has little to do with overtime, the police force or any soundbite idea someone like yourself might proffer. They are endemic problems that are deep-seeded in nature. Albany could hire twice the number of cops, pay them triple time and they'd still have the Arbor Hill you see down there today.

And speak of THIS city, I'm sure you've been around here long enough to remember the 1970s or 1980s in Saratoga Springs. Was it like Albany? Were there shootings everyday? Were YOU scared to walk on the street? Even then -the city's so-called 'rough and tumble' era -I can't recall too many places where I'd be scared to walk.

Bottom line: Saratoga is a gated community. It always has been, it always will be. The level of police coverage shouldn't increase every year just because. And that's in essence what Moore, the DBA and Kim are saying. I want to see a reason why we're paying so much goddamn money for cops, and not simply that it's to keep Saratoga from turning into Schenectady.

11:47 AM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Gerard Hawthorne said...

"The police are all under paid!"

You are speaking as one overpaid government worker about other overpaid government workers.
It is natural for you to want to defend and justify the unequal compensation issue of government workers as compared to the private sector workers of similar type jobs. You are only protecting your own turf.

You know as most other government workers know that their shitty attitudes would not be tolerated in the private sector. It it wasn't for the tenure issue most of you people would be unemployeed.

Your opinion is automatically biased and therefore should be taken for what it is, meaningless.

12:29 PM  
Blogger Andrew J. Bernstein said...

HA -- Since several of your readers are looking for salary data, and since you might have trouble filing a FOIL request without revealing your true identity (which would be disastrous for everyone, I think ... :P) ), I dug up a link to the chart of city employees' salaries that we published back in February.

The list ranks employees by salary, and gives their name and title. It's easy enough to figure out who is a police officer, however base salary is not demarcated from OT or other types of income.

I have the base salary figures, but they are not currently online. If I find the time, I'll post some of those figures at a later time. Of course, whatever data I have will become obsolete in a couple months when the new contracts go through.

The chart is located here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2188513/City-salaries-

1:56 PM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

See, there you go discrediting anyone who disagrees. We don't have any Arbor Hill or Hamilton Hill and hopefully we never will. You have no clue how many drug deals and other drug related crimes the local police squashed without it making the news. It's called under cover. I know many dealers that have been chased out of town from Schnectady,albany and New York City. I can also assure you that these guys are packing more than box cutters. the police in Saratoga make this city a safe place whether you see it or not. I have been to those cities and have an idea where to go but that's not the case for everyone. They still have shootings quite often and other violent crimes at college and high school levels. Doesn't happen here thanks to police involvement.

5:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:58 - Stay away from the pumpkins behind Stonequist man. Even the squirrels are no longer eating them.

Fact is no one has been willing to independently assess how many police staff are "necessary" for 15.35 square miles of patrolable municipal lands and what is reasonable. Apocalyptic predictions and fear mongering damaged the good will that that department deserves. Holding required responsibilities hostage and mismanagement – yes blatant mismanagement to the detriment of the taxpayers has worsened the situation. Several years of administrative antics and politics within the largest budgeted department in the City over benches and toilets and now overtime has brought the wrong attention. It’s time to get leaner and smarter not fat. Fat is not better - just ask the Yankees.

12:41 AM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

Gerard,

The reason I discredit you is because you're off your rocker on this one. There are far more police in this city than we need. Do you think I could give a rats' ass about drugs? I don't. If they weren't illegal, they wouldn't be a problem.

Needless to say, there are plenty of drugs that are going around this community and your boys in blue are none to eager to sweep them up. That's probably because the drugs in question are 'doctor-lawyer' drugs, if you get my drift. They'll rap a some teen doper over the dome for a half-ounce of weed, when over the summer, every cistern in every bar in Saratoga has the white residual footprints of a wealthy touron getting jacked...Drugs... Puhlease...If that's what they're doing with the overtime, you've proven my point an then some.

Still, I fear you're missing my point. The ghettos of Albany and Schenectady are different breeds than the neighborhoods of Saratoga. You're a dolt if you think otherwise. As I mentioned before, there's a deep-seeded mistrust and loathing that festers in areas like Hamilton and Arbor Hill. But it's not the wanton mistrust and loathing that will get someone killed. It's street justice, which is why the cops are of no use in these areas. Saratoga has nothing like them. Never has, and never will.

3:24 AM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

Andrew J.,

Good show, mate! Thanks for the data...believe it or not, there are ways around the conundrum you alluded to. Difficult ways, but ways nonetheless.

3:28 AM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Cops, prosecutors, judges, politicians are too financially corrupted and dependent on the question of the legalization of drugs to believe the nonsense that they blather about.

They have been fighting the “war on drugs” for decades and so far the results have been a costly joke. These connivers will continue to perpetuate the myth about drugs while handsomely lining their pockets for as long as they can continue to con a stupid and gullible public.

9:29 AM  
Blogger Andrew J. Bernstein said...

You're more than welcome... anything I can do to make life easier.

10:15 AM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

Ho,

Seems you have some deep rooted hate for Saratoga Police. No wonder you are hiding under a false name. I feel for some of the cops that are making $35,000 per. They can't buy homes in their own city they work in. I know you always have the last word here so go ahead and spin it to your liking.

1:44 PM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

Gerard,

I have no hatred for any police, and the reasons for my anonymity has not been nor will be a topic I'm willing to discuss. I will tell you this: it has nothing to do with the police.

And you FEEL for the cop making $35,000? How is that? Because they never actually bring home $35,000 with all the overtime they're making? Or is it because in six years, they'll be making at roughly $10,000 more in base salary? Or is it that they can retire after 25 years -some still in their 40s -and have a nice pension to sit back on, plus benefits, plus the ability to start a new career? What is it that makes YOU feel bad about the police?

I'll tell you what makes ME feel bad is that a fellow like you unequivocally stumps for these guys who are CIVIL SERVANTS, without know a goddamn thing about the inner workings of the department. Sure I'm happy there are cops out on the street. But should I have to bow down before these guys and dump out my wallet because of it? What makes their job anymore difficult than the many sub-$35,000 earners in this city trying to scrape by?

So if you want to consider this the final word, there it is. You have failed to bring any real talking points to this discussion anyway.

6:33 AM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Gerard, every time you open up your mouth you only reinforce to the general public the facts of how stupid, greedy, self-centered, and unappreciative most civil servants are.

7:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a bit outside of the issue, but when you contact the police with an issue shouldn't it be looked into? Across from the Universal Preservation Hall on Washington St. is an overgrown area that during the summer months houses some "gentlemen". I called several times regarding these men exposing themselves, or if they were feeling frisky - having a little man on man action. I don't need to see that. A lot of people walk from their condos or neighborhoods to Starbucks or Broadway on this street daily. These men chain their bikes to the street signs and set up tents back there. You can't walk on that side on the street. The police did nothing and eventually the weather became too chilly for them to camp out there and they have moved on.

So beyond that issue, lets address the street itself. It is overgrown with vines and there is garbage everywhere. There is an empty parking area on the corner of Washington and Federal which could be used for parking overflow but it is chained off. So we end up with people parking on Railroad Place all day. Why?

7:35 AM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

Railroad Place was much nicer when it was a vacant lot on one side and a bowling alley on the other. Maybe Ho and some of his buddies can chase the bums out of there since the police are such slackers in his mind.

6:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 7:35 - Whether at that location, somewhere off the bike trail behind the Price Chopper, in the State Park Land behind the "dog park" or just north in the woods behind the south Broadway branch of the Adirondack Trust these camps some complete with a camp fires continue.

If the public is aware of these locations, how is it that the authorities remain in the dark? Are we to believe that our policemen and women are working at 100% and these additional areas of concern require overtime reimbursement or that simply reassignment and better management would answer these concerns more efficiently.

6:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shot,

The general public is basically you and maybe a handful of others on this blog right. It's you and the Gordon Boyd's of the world that make this city great I suppose.

3:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chief Tuffy of Albany is being asked to go without 10 new cops. He says he can continue to protect Albany.
What about Saratoga?
I'd like to hear what Moore says about no moore new cops.

6:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gordon Boyd? I thought we were done hearing that name. Of course Shot in the Dark is from that mold. His opinions are egotistical and arrogant the same as Boyd. Not hard to spot the horse's asses flailing around broadway.

2:26 PM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

Shot , Your jealousy is very transparent. I'm not the smartest thing going but I am not self centered or greedy. I work many hours without pay and volunteer whenever I can. People are all individual so don't put me in a catagory that I don't belong. You don't know me so don't pretend that you do. Just from your constant attitude on this blog tells me about you. You don't help anyone without expecting something in return.

2:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many years ago the “dividers” were prejudiced neighborhood nationalities and ethnicities. Today while some can still listen to arguments over addresses on lower and upper Beekman Street or whether "we were here first" or longer, there is a disturbing trend now to segregate people through education. For those whose grandparents extolled the virtues of getting an education so as not to “work in the mine”, they now find themselves called elitists, egotistical and arrogant by some who act schooling, yet teach their own children to strive for the very same dreams and skills that they seem to scorn in others.

“Don’t trust anyone with and education” will be the tragic consequence by anyone with this mindset. We are all middle class and we all live in this City and call it home.

Don’t be fooled, nothing is simple and today we have to budget and contro costs. Public Safety will get it. Cut the force and do the work or get out.

4:33 AM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Gerard, I know quite a bit about you.

I know you strongly supported and continue to admire the most ignorant person ever elected mayor. You know what they say about association?
I know that you can’t wait to retire at the young age of 55 with a nice fat government retirement check and a health benefits till you die while many other people who work just as hard if not harder than you will be working till they die with no benefits.
I know that you used your position of power under very questionable circumstances during a political campaign.
I know you think other government workers such as yourself are underpaid.
I know that when you were campaigning for Keehn during normal work hours that you were going around to many individuals and businesses trying to “educate” the voters and many people felt justifiably insulted by those condescending actions.
I know that the chances of you getting the same compensation that you are now receiving from your government job as compared to the private sector are zero.

6:53 AM  
Anonymous undercover at DFC said...

Yeah, but Gerard does a great job guarding the door at 5 Wells Street!

9:50 AM  
Anonymous Gerard (can't wait to 55) Hawthorne said...

Shot you really tell it like it isn't! I don't have to defend myself against idiots like you because you don't have the balls to tell me face to face. You are the same ass that criticizes the newspaper for their print but conveniently agrees with them on issues they falsely write. I never once did any of this on my work day but no use in trying to explain. Your man is gone (McTygue) that used his job to paint some phoney picture to further himself. It didn't work! His politically jockey tactics failed when he tried to intimidate me and my family. DEAD FISH DON'T LIE! Bring it on when you feel big enough for a face to face.

2:00 PM  
Anonymous Gerard H. said...

By the way , Shot! Your boy Obama is going to solve all your problems. He's going to get you lifelong health care and we the taxpayer will pay! Welfare for all! Enjoy!

2:04 PM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Gerard H. said...

"He's going to get you lifelong health care and we the taxpayer will pay! Welfare for all! Enjoy!"

Gerard don't you find it a little bit ironic complaining about poor people getting welfare and lifelong health care.
Those government checks that you keep cashing for the “hard work" that you do is considered by many to just be another form of welfare.
If it wasn't for the "welfare job" that the government gave you and your wife you would probably be living in the Terrace.
Same thing with that "lifelong health care" that you complain about poor people getting. How much money does the government contribute for your "lifelong health care"?

You are a phony bastard.

5:27 AM  
Anonymous seasick watching wyatt's home movies said...

What's this about a little frisky man-on-man action in that empty lot on WashingtonN Street?

Are we sure it's not the Shaky Filmmaker and the Spittin' Corporal?

After all, they have a history of hiding in bushes together, dont they?

5:26 PM  
Anonymous undercover at dfc said...

you're right--this Gerard a-hole is a total sack of shit

He shall now recognized as the Poster Boy of:

a) the Keehniacs

and

b) public service employees

Hey Gerard: have you EVER worked outside the public dole?

7:53 PM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

Phony Bastard? I put my name to what I say. How about you? Fake name, no courage. You and the few here that criticize everyone. Go cry in your soup. The world is all wrong as you are all right. Go put a gun to your head and finish it. Me, I will continue to enjoy the little bit that I have that I actually earned. This unlike you people collecting disability that you never earned. BYE BYE!

8:32 AM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Macho Man Gerard said...

"Bring it on when you feel big enough for a face to face."


Is this how you settle arguments when your intelligence fails you?

Do you threaten all of the poor folks over at the Terrace in the same manner when they disagree with you?

How many living units are you taking care of for those inflated paychecks and benefits that Uncle Sam gives you?
Everyone knows that the private sector could do what you are doing much more inexpensively and much more efficiently.

I guess the government just figures it's better to keep below average people like you "working, wink, wink" so the welfare rolls don't swell.

Hey everybody, next time you run into Gerard make sure you tell him that you know how deserving he is to have that 60 thousand dollar a year government job with all of those paid days off, government health insurance for him and his family paid till he dies, and of course that early retirement at age 55.

10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry Gerard you might get the last word in the project but you don’t here. I know you don’t read much so here’s a quote you might have heard.

The Three Stooges Scrapbook
"he Was Bread in Old Kentucky but he's Just a Crumb Up Here. ...


Gerard you pompous bag of shit. You have spent your whole life looking out for yourself and you have done a splendid job, to that I say bravo. I really doubt you have any political beliefs at all. Volunteering to coach sports teams, just a means to an end to better ingrain yourself into the Housing Authority. Val Keehn a convenient ally in your climb up the Housing Authority ladder and a great opportunity to get your wife on the payroll. The fact that you wasted no time in kissing Scott Johnson’s ass after Keehn’s ignoble defeat just proves your always looking out for number one. The only problem with your little scheme is the fact that the residents of the Terrace are the ones that suffer under your heavy handed and incompetent management.
Fear not Gerard you’re clever enough to hang on a few more years and retire at 55 and at that point I have little doubt that you’re move to North Carolina or some other low tax state complaining bitterly that high taxes in NY drove you out. Taxes that you and your bloated salary were responsible for in the first place. I know you love to quote old burnt out rock stars so here’s one from Alanis Morissette

And isn't it ironic... don't you think
A little too ironic... and yeah I really do think...

10:44 AM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Gerard (can't wait to 55) Hawthorne said...

“Me, I will continue to enjoy the little bit that I have that I actually earned. This unlike you people collecting disability that you never earned. BYE BYE! "


You know Gerard, there are a great number of people out there who need and deserve government help. I don't mind my tax dollars being used to help support people that are in need, whether it be a disabled worker who has been seriously injured or a family that is taking care of a downs syndrome child/adult family member.

But I do have serious misgivings when the government has increased the retirement age of its older citizens from 65 to 67 and is seriously considering raising the age limit again.

It would seem much fairer to not let all of these cops, firemen, and military people retire when they are only in their early forties. Or why let teachers, mail carriers, state workers and a whole slew of other government workers retire when they are only 55?

Tell us Gerard why do you and your fellow government workers think their shit doesn’t stink?

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

Rats! I guess you superior intellects busted me! I am not worthy of you. I do associate with the mayor from time to time. I have associated with whoever held the office. Ken Klotz,Mike Lenz,Val Keehn and now Scott Johnson. All fine people. Politics are ugly so at the present time I could care less about it. Right again! But I was coaching youth sports long before I even worked at the Housing Authority. I also held my current position years before Val Keehn was mayor. I think even before I knew her from Little league days. So her being mayor had nothing to do with me or my job status. I also know all about raising a child with downs syndrome since my 30 year old daughter has downs. I worked the private sector for 20 years before I got this so called cake job I have now. At 12 years old I worked under the table at The Rip Van Dam as a bell hop in the summer as well as Flanagan's farm, owner of The Rip. I washed dishes at Skidmore,Holiday Inn and was a full time worker at Window Tech. I then worked for 13 years at Universal Medical Instruments before I was hired by Jim Collins, then Director of The Housing Authority in 1988. Let's see am I missing anything? I was a bit of a hell raiser in my youth.
Oh, yes I can retire at 55 but I won't. I have to work at least 10 more years. Bummer! The only other thing is when I do retire I intend to live out my days in Saratoga. I don't care for North Carolina but nice guess. I prefer out west! That's where I hope to spend some of the winter months. Thanks for all the kind things you chums have to say to me.

3:47 PM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

I did forget one thing! I hate politics but I look for your support in 2017 or 2019 when I run for Mayor.

3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice try Gerard I all most shed a tear when I heard your heart breaking story. Tell me Gerard how did all these life experiences you so vividly describe make you qualified for your current 60000+ position? How do you explain your hatchet job on your former boss Zabala.

4:11 AM  
Anonymous Gerard H said...

I had nothing to do with Gerard Zabala leaving the Authority. It must have gotten awful stressing for him to walk off the job and never come back! He wasn't fired by anyone but I guess the pressure was too much! He's a nice person and I always liked him. I do know that around town they made it out that he was fired! Never happened!

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dem roc said:
according to the dept of labor 8-11-04 statistics the top 10 most dangerous jobs are
timber cutters
pilots
construction laborers
truck drivers
farm occupations
groundskeepers
laborers (?)
police
carpenters
sales occupations
according to www.insurance.com/article.aspex/top_10_most_dangerous_jobs/artid/23
also there are less dpw employees now then there were under tmac. if the tax payer is at all interessted they can look at the flower crew for example. maybe bernstien can shed some light on that issue. it is my understanding that there were about 7-8 people working this year as oppossed to 15-17 in previous years. more has been done with less and the further cuts seem to be an attempt to cripple the dept. if anyone remembers brian dwyer and the crap they pulled on him and his budget you would understand this. another example was the 4th of july. there were supposed to be volunteers to offset the cost of overtime in the dpw budget, zero showed up and workers needed to be called in to clean congress park

5:19 PM  
Anonymous Real World inhabitant said...

Gerard

Show some integrity--quit your public-dole job tomorrow and go prove yourself in the private sector.

Until you do so, your credibility is zilch and your opinions carry no weight.

10:23 AM  
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7:32 PM  
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7:33 PM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Gerard you just don’t seem to get it or want to get it. I don’t know if it’s greed, lack of intelligence, if you’re being coy, or a combination.

Look at your work history. Granted, you are not lazy but you have been able to better yourself because of your parents, your desire, where you were born, and who you know.
Good for you.

Like I have said before, I am glad you are doing well. But keep in mind; it has been at the expense of the rest of us.

You say you know all about bring up a downs syndrome child. I assume you have been getting a monthly government check to help with his/her care and yet you write in post, 8:32 AM “this unlike you people collecting disability that you never earned. BYE BYE!”

This is what is commonly known a being two-faced.

It’s alright for you to collect government disability for your own downs syndrome child, have free government medical coverage, and have lifetime job security which gives you an ample living wage but you openly scorn the poor for doing or trying to do the same.

Jim Collins gave you that job not only because of your work history but also because your parents are white and good local Republicans who have paid their dues.

2:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dem roc said: boy shot in the dark, such outrage at gerard. seems like he took your wallet in a game of poker one night and it looks as though you never got over it. i must have to say these personal cyber attacks don't shed a good light on you at all

4:32 PM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

demroc,

It's not personal. I actually like Gerard
My outrage is directed at the system.
The system sucks; it unnecessarily creates two classes of citizens. One group of citizens gets health care insurance for life at no cost while the rest of us are left out to dry. Even the big companies like GM can longer afford to pay for health care for their employees. In fact paying health care for its employees and retirees is one of the reasons GM will soon go bankrupt as many other big companies already have and even more are about to. And let’s face there aren’t many small companies that can afford it.

No, I have nothing personal against you, Mamie, or Gerard you all are just taking advantage of the system. I like Gerard; I have known him and all of his family for many years. I do enjoy a good argument and sometimes may get a little carried away. If you go back and read what I have written, you will notice that Gerard and others will not debate arguments point by point because they don’t have any reply to many of my points. Instead of intellectually trying to debate with me what does Gerard say?
"Bring it on when you feel big enough for a face to face."

I could never work for the government, as you know it's too political; too much bullshit; too much backbiting. I know many government employees and most of them dislike or hate their jobs. It’s rare to find a government employee that likes what they're doing. Most of them can’t wait to retire.
Me, on the other hand, I love what I do. I am self employed and kiss no one’s ass.

I will say though many people, both retired and current government employees like Gerard, who have been getting these benefits are very derisive against people who are less fortunate. Many government employees will commonly bitch about taxes being spent on the poor while completely ignoring the ironic fact that taxpayers are funding all of their liberal benefits. When they do this it makes them look greedy and unsympathetic to the average Joe who like everyone else is just trying to get by.
Health care is a universal right.

4:48 PM  
Anonymous David Bronner's left nut said...

That's not the only thing he took from him! Years ago he stole his girl and didn't get over it!

5:36 PM  
Anonymous Gerard hawthorne said...

If Shot in the Dark knew who I was then explain why he had no idea I had a Child with Down's Syndrome? Maybe he can also explain why my family lived here their whole life while he moved from another town to take advantage of the locals here. He did this by charging us outrageous prices on his goods and services because he could. Now that the going is getting tough and competition is fierce he is having trouble keeping afloat. Not our problem! It was the path you chose!

4:29 PM  
Anonymous Gerard hawthorne said...

If Shot in the Dark knew who I was then explain why he had no idea I had a Child with Down's Syndrome? Maybe he can also explain why my family lived here their whole life while he moved from another town to take advantage of the locals here. He did this by charging us outrageous prices on his goods and services because he could. Now that the going is getting tough and competition is fierce he is having trouble keeping afloat. Not our problem! It was the path you chose!

4:29 PM  
Blogger shotinthedark said...

Gerard said….
“He did this by charging us outrageous prices on his goods and services because he could. Now that the going is getting tough and competition is fierce he is having trouble keeping afloat”



Your Government job prevents you from understanding the basic concepts of free enterprise. I can not force anyone to pay me outrageous prices on goods and services unless I have a monopoly on something.
In this day and age, the only monopoly that exists that I can think of is the one which you work for, the government.

I find it ironic that you talk about “competition is fierce”.
What kind of competition to you experience in the workforce?
Whose prices do you have to beat in order to survive?

I know it’s “Not our problem! It was the path you chose!”
I wouldn’t have it any other way. I would rather go hungry and eat in the soup kitchen before I was paid money I didn’t fully work for or didn’t deserve.
I like getting up in the morning and looking in the mirror knowing I have to work hard for my money.


If people don’t like my services, they can and do find someone else. Not so with the services that the government provides. Business people know that government services are expensive to administrate and poor in substance; no competition.

The fact is, Gerard, you are the one that is ripping off their customers (taxpayers).
The average government employee is being compensated $25, 0000 more that the average guy working in the private sector. Taxpayers are forced to put up with this nonsense of paying through the nose because of civil service.

I am sure that even you recognize the simple fact that your position could easily be done by someone in the private sector at a much better price. Why should we (taxpayers/customers) be forced to pay you so much more than we would pay someone else?

7:21 AM  
Anonymous Gerard Hawthorne said...

Shot,

The offer still stands! Face to face if you dare! By the way not everyone wants to fight when they say face to face. But maybe I am just not as intelligent or I'm greedy. Or maybe I am just being coy. Better yet maybe you should get off your high horse with your arrogance. You are what most of us refer to as a know it all! I'm okay with that. Why not give me a call since you know me so well. I'm in the book. One question: Since you hold the cards, saying you know me and all,you say you like me. Tell me do I like you? Interesting question. Can you answer it with honesty?

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all of you that feel you have the right to pass judgement on Officer Adam Baker and the incident with Seth Dawson - SHAME ON YOU - you don't know the real happenings of this incident, nor did this happen to you and your family, it happened to Adam Baker and his family. Officer Baker wears a scar that is a daily reminder of that day; his family wears that scar as well. The residents of Saratoga Springs should be proud to have an officer like Adam Baker that has shown incredible courage and dedication -

7:08 PM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

7:08,

I can only speak for myself personally. I'll tell you my intent isn't to pass judgment on the officer, who faced a very difficult situation that day and almost paid the ultimate price. Rather, I'm trying to point out how the police administration trivializes his life-altering experience by using it as a threat to secure their own ends. They've done it twice now and I find it sickening. I think he's owed a debt of gratitude for putting his life on the line. But I don't think he should be the poster-child for increased police spending. What's next? They tell us he'll be laid off if we don't build a public safety building? Frankly, I'm astonished anyone from that department would use his name in such a way, even if it's only to make a point; hence my post here.

6:44 AM  

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