Tuesday, July 15, 2008


Apparently, someone didn’t get the memo. Rather than beating sense into Ron Kim, someone appears to have inadvertently beat the sense out of the dreadfully misguided Public Safety Commissioner.

Sporting a nice shiner and an oversized bandage on his forehead, Kim told New Channel 13 about his plan to use the $4.3 million bonded for the long-awaited recreation center into the public safety facility. He said moving the money over would be “easy” for the city to do, given the present economic climate.

“That money from the rec center, if we are in tough economic times, can be shifted over to the public safety station,” he said during the interview.

Clearly, Kim doesn’t recall former city Finance Commissioner Matt McCabe saying the money bonded for the recreation center couldn’t be used for other purposes without damaging the city’s financial reputation. And obviously, Kim doesn’t remember his partner in politics –former Mayor Valerie Keehn –committing the city to the project. Nor does he seem to recollect the downgrading of the city’s credit rating just one short year ago.

Kim also forgets how his patron goddess figured to finance the recreation center project by using parkland fees collected from developers. At the time, Keehn was stumping for re-election under the looming prospect of having to raise city property taxes by 8 percent. She claimed the roughly $300,000 collected in developer fees and used “for park, playground or other recreational purposes” could cover more than half the project.

“We believe the city is now in the position to finance at least 50 percent of the indoor recreation facility through subdivision, condominium and site plan recreation fees," Keehn told the Daily Gazette last year.

These aren’t things that cross the mind of the cross commissioner, as he furiously argues for a public safety facility that is still more than $1.7 million over what the city has budgeted. Mayor Scott Johnson, one of the prime suspects in giving Kim his new eye coloring, has repeatedly stated that the public safety facility proposals are stalled for just this reason. After all, why would the city bond $8 million for a project that is sure to go over budget? Isn’t this the whole reason why Moody’s dropped the city’s credit rating?

Meanwhile, Johnson says tax payers have flung more than $250,000 out the window –just short of what Keehn’s highly touted developer fees –in bond payments for the political football called the recreation center project without a single shovel being lanced into the ground. With more than a decade’s worth of planning, the recreation center has remained mired in the City Council’s inability to come to a consensus on anything, much less a $6.5 million project.

Absent from the discussions of both the proposed public safety facility and the bonded recreation center project are any discussions on how the city will finance the upkeep on what will total more than 60,000 square feet of additional government-owned building space. McCabe warned of such a problem last year, both before and after the council sold more than $9 million worth of bonds to fund the recreation center.

Conversely, Kim has excluded such discussions from his agenda and hasn’t even said exactly what the city would do with the old police station once a new one is built. In fact, he hasn't even said where the city would come up with the money needed to complete the new station in the first place.

The sad reality is that city councils of the past draped the albatross of the recreation center around the city’s neck. Unfortunately, neither of the previous mayoral administrations ever envisioned the hostile economic conditions existing today and put money behind what Kim is now categorizing as an lower priority project. But at this point, the only way to ease this burden is to at last complete the project and hope Linda Terricola’s ludicrous claims come to fruition.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deputy Finneran beat the snot out of him! He was ready to concede to the fact that the REC Center made more sense!

11:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone please ID the person who gave Ronnie Boy his ass-whupping.

I want to by that person dinner!

Each passing day brings a new level of foolishness from this asshole Kim.

Did you read about his little poster he now has hanging at City Hall, bemoaning the lack of progress in getting his mini-palace built?

Ron Kim: Commissioner of Public Stupidity

11:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The man who would be Commissioner initially ran for office only to support the dissolution of his position three months later. Today he returns to that soapbox complaining about the form of government that he was elected to serve under because the Council will not agree that the present Police Department requires four times its present space. We have all heard the reports of the crowding and often self-imposed inadequate conditions yet the Commissioner’s ribbon committees have never considered an appropriate sized facility -- one that would not only accommodate the existing department but also allow for reasonable growth.

The Finance Commissioner is aware as are the other Council members that the present Police Department conditions are inadequate, yet they recognize the reality of proposing too large a facility that will only bankrupt future City budgets and a community that grows at less than 1% per year. Couldn’t the project planners have consider a more reasonable plan? Of course, they could have if only it had been a part of their program.

Under present plans, the proposed 24,336 square foot three story Fort Apache styled Citadel is to accommodate only the Police Department. The Public Safety Department is then to be housed in the vacated 6,263 square foot area in the current building. So for the record, let’s call the new proposed building with its planned 15 holding cells a Police Station and not a Public Safety Building.

1:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope it was Jeff Wait that popped him.

1:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Do you really suspect that Commissioner Kim had his eye blackened by Scott Johnson, the world's smallest mayor? If you're right, Little Scotty must have been standing on a really big stepladder!

5:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is the real story behind the boo boo? my money is muscles hired by the wait family. i think the public safety facility will be completed right about the same time the granite finally arrives to complete the steps on city hall - the building they wish to vacate.

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear Linda Terricola was in the hall of city hall and clocked Ron Kim! Is This True? Will he bring charges against her?

6:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ron is just pre-registering for the skybox in the protected custody wing of the new jail. you're in grl friend! congrats...

10:49 PM  
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4:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The suspects in this Ron Kim ass-whupping episode are:

a) Billy McTygue

b) Tony Fisher (or whatever he calls himnself now)

c) David Bronner (hey, he had been drinking)

d) John Franck

e) One of the little old ladies from The Terrace (Gerard told her to go punch Johnson, but she has bad eyesight)

f) Vanguard (because he is a a bit jealous about how close Kim and Val are getting)

g) Kim's wife (see 'f', above)

h) Jeff Wait's daughter

i) Any one of 10,000+ city taxpayers

5:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear the fight in the hall was between Jim Montagnino and Jeff Wait. It seems there was some confusion over who was going to caddy for Matt Dorsey!

6:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Tighe probably knows how it happened! He seems to be the community blowhard these days!

6:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will beat him like a cheap rug if he crosses me on the Recreation center!

6:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The news today says that Kim has suggested that the new building be named after Val Keehn.

Can I punch him now?

8:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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9:04 AM  
Blogger Huck Finn said...

When is SOMEONE in Saratoga Springs going to ask for a research report on public safety, rather than a public safety BUILDING! Eh gads people, facilities support services! Why is Kim so hell bent on a new building, when NO ONE IN HIS DEPARTMENT has even begun to consider/vision public safety in Saratoga, crica, 2010, 2015, 2020? Du-uh....uh, that would require some idiot to think I suppose.

9:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The new palace will have a cell named in McTygue's honor!

9:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard the NXIVM fem-bots were set to attack mode. Vanguard is worried that Ron Kim's Public Safety Gulag could be used to lock up his zombie army.

9:52 AM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

To all,

I appreciate introspective comments such as the one Mr. Finn has lodged here. This poster read the topic, thought about it for a minute and then contributed something that wasn't libelous and actually brings something to the table: How about a Public Safety visioning study? What the department will need and what it will cost come 2020. This is obviously a rational person.

Next, we'll move onto a couple of those pesky "This post has been removed by a blog administrator" notices that have crept up in the topic. By process of elimination, the posters, I'm sure, can tell if they've touched a sour note with their post. I'm always up for a good laugh, and some of the farcical posts are genuinely funny for a giggle. But some are just flat-out mean natured and sometimes make me wonder the type of cognizant adult that would right them(I'm assuming this blog doesn't appeal to many teenagers or young children).

I really appreciate giving people freedom of speech, but a small handful of overzealous man(or woman)-children seem to abuse the privilege every time I let my guard down. Now, I'd much rather entertain one or two comments such as Mr. Finn has provided here, rather than 40 comments such as 9:04 and 4:40 have lodged here. I ask again, please keep the conversation a bit civil and in the realm of intelligent dialog. The occasional crack is fine, but let's not fill these strings up with drivel.

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Kim show last night at the city council meeting was the greatest performance of farcical theatre I have ever seen. Kim was in all his glory foaming at the mouth beating his chest. The whole time he wasn’t looking at the Council but glaring at us the audience with his bruised and bandaged face. You folks this, you folks that. See my new failometer!!!

What a joke and this guy thinks he’s running against Johnson. The one time he did make some sense is when he conceded McTygue was right about putting the Rec center on Weibel Ave. I think with time people will look back on the McTygue years as the golden renaissance of Saratoga followed by its sharp decline.

12:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In all seriousness Horatio if Ron and Val hadn’t been such dicks maybe Uncle Joe would have dropped off a check like he did for Johnson and the Civic Center today.. But it’s never about accomplishing anything with these clowns. Kim and Val just want to beat their chests and bitch and moan. Next Ron will run for Mayor on a change the charter platform. I did enjoy seeing Val at the city council meeting with her latest cause célèbre the mentally challenged perhaps they will be able to teach her a few things like not blaming others for your failures.

1:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cut the crap folks anyone who lived her for more than two years remembers the Republican Dorsey, son of Doctor Dorsey who hit and left for dead a patron of the Rafters nightclub that was owned by a Republican Assemblyman. The entire Republican establishment got together circled the wagons and got the kid off a murder rap. So before you judge Waits daughter take a good look in the mirror, it’s easy to wipe a few tickets off your hands another to wipe blood.


1:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While chastising the public for not getting on board the spending train and putting up the “Fail-O-Meter”, two more fires grab the news today. Should we be asking when was the last time these apartment houses received their public safety inspection as required by NYS, before there is a fatality?

4:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In all seriousness, someone made an interesting proposal at the Council meeting the other night. Why not combine both facilities. The police HQ would be at Jefferson Terrace, a high crime area, and the rec center would be safe enough that it could be open all night. Why not a midnight basketball program overseen by the cops? Certainly the combined facility would cost less than two separate buildings. Does this make too much sense?

4:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love when people "gossip" and don't even bother to check their facts. Anon 1:21 you need to take this advice. And for the record, I've lived here for 40+ years and know about a lot skeletons in the closets of many locals, but don't feel the need to chat about it. Just remember, we all carry baggage. Unless you have first hand knowledge of something, keep it to your self - otherwise it's called slander.

6:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surprise! Surprise!

Seems like a few people are surprised that there are Two sets of laws in this city.
If you have money and connections you are treated much more leniently than if you don't.
If you have money and connections you
you can get a job that pays a living wage including health care.

From today's AMERICAblog.com

"The United States of America is becoming less united by the day. A 30-year gap now exists in the average life expectancy between Mississippi, in the Deep South, and Connecticut, in prosperous New England. Huge disparities have also opened up in income, health and education depending on where people live in the US, according to a report published yesterday.

The American Human Development Index has applied to the US an aid agency approach to measuring well-being – more familiar to observers of the Third World – with shocking results. The US finds itself ranked 42nd in global life expectancy and 34th in survival of infants to age. Suicide and murder are among the top 15 causes of death and although the US is home to just 5 per cent of the global population it accounts for 24 per cent of the world's prisoners.

Despite an almost cult-like devotion to the belief that unfettered free enterprise is the best way to lift Americans out of poverty, the report points to a rigged system that does little to lessen inequalities.

"The report shows that although America is one of the richest nations in the world, it is woefully behind when it comes to providing opportunity and choices to all Americans to build a better life," the authors said."

7:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The facts of the Dorsey case are as follows.

Found innocent in criminal court of vehicular homicide or 2nd degree murder.

Found guilty in civil trial.

Yes just like OJ.

This is not slander just facts.

The same people who are hurling insults at the Waits have more skeletons than a cemetery. You started this escalation by bringing Waits family into it. Call a truce or the shovels can come out to dig up a few more memories, most of which are not pleasant.


9:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HFinn 9:39 - Yes, it is a good question. We forget that this Department often sells an idea of itself often on bloated numbers be it the total number of people in the City for the Travers, or the number of square miles they have to patrol yet half of that area is private, State land, park land or unbuildable wet land.

I say, if you like the idea of Big City Service, helicopters and three story CSI television labs, go work for NYC, NYS or the Feds, but don’t expect City residents to fork over their tax dollars for the imagined lavish extravaganza for a Department that at last glance lives mostly outside the taxing district.

2:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't post this, it's only for your reference. And yes, imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery. Similar look, similar tone, different topics


6:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 1:21

I believe that the father turned in his son when he found the damaged car in the garage. Then the key evidence from the clothing(paint chips from the car) matched the car - but was thrown out of court.

A tragedy on all accounts.

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 7:43AM:

"Despite an almost cult-like devotion to the belief that unfettered free enterprise is the best way to lift Americans out of poverty, the report points to a rigged system that does little to lessen inequalities.

"The report shows that although America is one of the richest nations in the world, it is woefully behind when it comes to providing opportunity and choices to all Americans to build a better life," the authors said." "

MORE THAN 150 years ago, Karl Marx recognized the tendency of capitalism to suffer regular crises of "overproduction" caused by the upside-down priorities of a system that puts profit first.

"So long as the most urgent needs of a large part of society are not satisfied, or only the most immediate needs are satisfied," Marx wrote, "there can of course be absolutely no talk of an overproduction of products--in the sense that the amount of products is excessive in relation to the need for them. On the contrary, it must be said that on the basis of capitalist production, there is constant underproduction in this sense. The limits to production are set by the profit of the capitalist and in no way by the needs of the [workers]."

In a rational world, everyone would be involved in the process of deciding what society needs--and in planning how to use our resources and technology to produce this. Instead of a system that wastes hundreds of billions on guns and bombs, we would have a system dedicated to making sure that every single person had enough food to eat, a roof over their head, an efficient and environmentally sound transportation system and the best health care we could provide.

That's what a socialist society would be--a society organized around meeting people's needs, not around the profits of a few.

The Enron scandal has produced calls for changes in the way that the capitalist system operates--maybe more honest accounting practices or ways to protect workers' retirement savings. But no proposal from Washington--which helped Enron's rapid rise in return for campaign contributions--will change the priorities of capitalist society.


9:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:19 PM said...
"A tragedy on all accounts."

Especially for the young man that was run over and left to die in the road. I believe his last name was Younes.
He was from a poor family.

If he had money I am sure the story would have ended differently.

5:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Ghost of Christmas, if you're going to bring up dirt on someone, make sure you've got the right person. For the record, it was not Matt Dorsey. Once again, check your facts first.

Yes, it was a tragedy on all accounts and a lot of people were hurt. True colors were displayed and vindictiveness ran rampant. Again, keep track of your own baggage.

I know both the Wait's and the Dorsey's so I'm not picking sides. Wouldn't it be refreshing to focus on just the individual's abilities to perform the job. Can you imagine being up for a job or promotion against someone else and having your employer be given dirt on you or your family?

7:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:42 PM

If I wasn't so good at making money I'd have to believe I'm a Socialists at heart.

8:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dude, H.A. you have such a hard on for ron kim. You talk about him all the time on your website. Stay off his cock for peets sake and let them man breathe. Ron Kim just took up two parking spaces in price chopper parking lot. OMG sweet, get a life clowns

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear 2:38 PM

I read your post and you remind of what's swirling in the bowl.

"So many turds swirling the bowl. Would someone just jiggle the handle or something."--Synthetik

4:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never said it was Matt Dorsey,I said
"Republican Dorsey, son of Doctor Dorsey"


6:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's not the same Dorsey numbnuts! If you want to toss around names check who the DA was back then! That's right! David Wait! Now the wheels are really churning!

6:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:09/6:34 - Boys, Boys Boys... How many times does it take to get this argument straight? It had nothing to do with the North Broadway guy or the DA that had to get involved or the Rafters owner's employee who served both beyond their own limits. As the old saying goes, why ruin everyone's life when one's life's already ruined.

If you think hard enough, you'll realize that it was the fault of the Public Works guy - no sidewalks. Always is in cases like this.

But on second thought, if we had had a bigger police station, we might have prevented this tragedy, because the taxes on Kaydeross would have then been too high to keep the nightspot open and you quessed it - no Rafters - no walk home or drive back to the garage.

Woops. The Failure-O-Meter just moved another notch.

3:56 AM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...


When you see a bunch of fish swimming around in a barrel and you just happen to be armed with a 12-gauge shot gun, it's hard not to take a pot shot every now and again. The bottom line is that if Ron Kim used an iota of common sense or even an ounce of decorum, his name wouldn't appear in these annals.

And just one more thing. Congratulations! You're the first iSaratoga reader to use the hackneyed net acronym 'OMG' in a post response. I thought the day would never come. Drinks are in order...

Re: the Dorsey case,

If you want a wrap-up of the civil and criminal proceedings, take a quick look here.


There is definitely a cultural divide in Saratoga. It starts at the grade-school level and then plays out through adulthood. But as you rightly point out, this phenomena is nothing unique to the Spa City; rather the divide here is a lot greater between the have and the have nots. Although I will point out, the soaring property values have more or less chase the working class families from the urban core to places like the Crest. Even there, it's not that easy to find an abode for under $200,000.

5:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 4:57 and any other idiot that thinks REC center and PS facility should be in same location.

We are willing to have our kids playing at the same place as we house criminals? That's got to be the most assinine idea yet!

7:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" A tragedy on all accounts"

That Younes was hit twice! He was first hit by a guy (first name Bruce) and later hit by Jim Dorsey (no relation to Matt Dorsey). Jim thought he went over some potholes but it turned out to be a body which is where the paint chips and the damages to his car came from. Yes, after his father heard of the accident and seen his car damaged turned his son in to authorities. Did he do it? Probably! Beyond a reasonable doubt? No! Thus, a civil suit had enough evidence to show his guilt. Big lawsuit settlement!

7:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That Kim was hit twice! First, it was someone named(Tighe) because John boy's wife is with him! Next it was Juan his son that smoked him one good one!

7:21 PM  
Blogger Horatio Alger said...

On a purposeless note, why the "Failure-ometer" instead of a 'fail-o-meter'? It sounds more catchy and Kim could have saved us a few tax dollars on his bullshit $55 sign with a few less letters to print.

But I guess given his track record, saving tax dollars isn't an MO Kim is familiar with...

9:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone else noticed how Kim is becoming more and more shrill over this issue?

How sad and pathetic.

Is just a question of time before Kim will be drooling to anyone who will listen...

Hehe, hi ^^ -- "They're coming to take me away haha, they're coming to take ... and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in they're clean white coats ...

5:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With Basket Weavers! There coming to take me away ha ha! To the funny farm! Where life is happy all of the time!

4:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s been a year since the Public Safety Capital Construction Committee presented its one-sided Feasibility Study with recommendations for a new Police Facility and an eastside Fire and EMS Station.

With a do-or-die approach, the projects ran over reasonable concerns from residents and city Council members for more efficient proposals. Challenging the Council with a “deny and delay” mentality, this project under the oversight of yet another unilateral blue man group presented a citadel building plan that by rational standards is already obsolete.

As for the eastside Fire and EMS Station, the only thing necessary is an SEMS facility closer to the East Side to shorten response time. The dream of yet another personnel and equipment laden facility to compliment a proposed fortress that almost triples the size of the present facility did not nor does it today consider, the abilities of a community to support it or as has been pointed out, the requirements for Public Safety for a City of this size.

So at half time, we get a “Failure-O-Meter” that now chastises the public and the City Council for thwarting the power drive and Hail Mary play that was cooked up in the huddle of the PS Construction Committee three years ago. The Public needs to call a Timeout to reconsider the promises, the playbook and the failures.

4:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How far over the 9p bridge is that brand new Quaker Springs Fire house?

Maybe a 1/4 of a mile.

Why can't these stupid bastards work out some kind of deal with Quaker Springs?

Let's consolidate some of these services or at least do a feasibility study by an impartial group to see if money can be saved.

6:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shot 6:11 - Since the initial concerns, most folks out on the plateau and the ridge have come to realize that a new station would take up Lake Avenue City response calls and they would rather not have the fire truck sirens all night long. Remember that most every time an ambulance is called, the Fire EMS has to tag along, sometimes with the "keys" to senior housing apartments. This emergency response could be way more efficient. That said, The thought of Quaker Springs effort in an emergency could certainly be a consideration, but one would have to be looking at it from that side of the table.
Probably worth a discussion.

9:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, the Younes kid was already lying in the road by he time the Dorsey kid allegedly hit him.

The first driver drove off, leaving the scene. Now there's a downside to the anti-drinking hysteria of MADD, RID and the other neo-nazi's, huh? Look it up, hit & runs are WAY up since the tougher DWI penalties went into effect. They perps know they'll be looking at jail if they report themselves, so they high tail it.

As for WHO was the first one to run the kid over..that mystery has long been asked.

I think we all know the answer. Could it have been........

TOMMY ????????

Of course it was!

4:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was McTygue!

In an effort to save the city money he ran down some loser using him for fill and backtop! Besides, he wasn't a campaign contributor. Thus, the mystery of the dead fish lying there next to the body. Dorsey, on the other hand, was a contributor!

3:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey you never know, maybe you won't ever need to call 911 for help!!

7:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bring your marshmellows to that sf

7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 7:41/3 "Hey you never know, maybe you won't ever need to call 911 for help!!"

Are you saying that our Fire Department can't get to our house on the Lake in time? We really like the idea of a closer ambulance response since the chances of needing their services are far greater than that of the Fire Department. Maybe the City can build a small building and lease it to SEMS?

We have a dependable and resourceful Public Safety Department. It's just that we don't have a 50,000 person residential community to pay the City taxes for all of those extra jobs and retirements that go along with the ideal building dreams.

11:04 AM  

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